A sister speaks out about Arizona crash
Way to go shahad, really proud of you.
Rock on sister and you girls hang in there, it’s gonna be alright.
Way to go shahad, really proud of you.
Rock on sister and you girls hang in there, it’s gonna be alright.
September 20th, 2005 12:29
Will the man she killed be alright? What about the dead man’s family. When will ‘it’ be alright? Never.
September 20th, 2005 15:07
^^^ shut up. please. it was an accident.
September 20th, 2005 15:07
Drive slow homie….I am sure she understands that so need to be a little 5th grade dickwad and point it out…Beace
September 20th, 2005 15:09
There is no doubt what the girls did is wrong…a mistake, I’m sure they already know that. Unfrotunately, they had to learn the hard way.
Hit and runs, DUI’s are daily occurences in the US, but this time just because they are Kuwaitis the story hit the news everywhere. If they were boys people here would not be dwelling about it. Thats the sick irony. Our society is merciless. The first thing i said when i heard the new is that this could have happened to any one of us.
I hope the families involved, all of them including that of the deceased will rise again to their feet. My heart goes out to all of you.
Wallahu 3′afoorun ra7eem.
September 20th, 2005 15:11
I would like to take a moment to ask Reem’s sister what story she was gossiping about last week? What bluetooth message was she accepting about some poor other soul that has been affected by a tradegy. Practice what you preach.
Secondly, I would never put myself in thier shoes because 1) I do not drink and 2) Even if I did drink I would not drive.
I am so upset that these girls made a wrong decision that killed a person. Allahyerhama.
September 20th, 2005 15:54
we dont do bluetooth
thats so hailag. and gossip is for losers. we have a million other things to talk about.
September 20th, 2005 16:48
First anonymous, Yes the dead man will be alright. he can’t get more “alright” thank that. It was his destiny to die that day and it was the girls destiny to go through all that. The dead man’s family will eventually be alright, we all lost family member even if we didn’t some day we will. Will we cry them till the end of our life? Of course we won’t. People die everyday, life goes on.
Second anonymous, I fucking second that.
Pet Gorilla (or M … Al-M …)
I don’t know what the hell you mean by that but I say shut the fuck up.
and hey it’s “peace” not “beace”
A3sab
I totally agree.
Third anonymous,
I would like to take a minute and tell you that shahad’s phone doesn’t even have bluetooth. People got more stuff to talk about than can imagine (oh can you actually imagine? … I’m sorry I thought you can)
And hey, You would NEVER drive … not even when you’re not drunk? Because you know, these accidents happen everyday here in kuwait with all kind of people.
Fourth anonymous, Amen.
September 20th, 2005 18:09
Yay, Shahad!
(and yay, Daily Star! You got a subscription?)
N.
September 20th, 2005 19:13
ya jama3a tara wala 7aram .. 9ij ina ily sawooh ghala6 oo shawah sim3atna bas tikhayilaw ohma shino ily ga3deen imooroon feeh wala moo shwaya la 3alaihum wala 3ala ahaleehum .. ana moo ga3da agool ina moo ghala6 bil 3aks 100 bil 100 ghala6 bas hathi ihya il 7aya oo lazim nitfa2al wiyahum i7na ahalhum oo lazim insa3idhum …
September 20th, 2005 20:51
Hang in there Shahad .. this will eventually die down as soon as the next big gossip story blows up.
As for the people that are STILL attacking the girls .. get off your high horse. You have probably made mistakes in the past that you regret, you should be thanking god it wasnt plastered all over the papers. People have drank, driven and run over people in Kuwait… so don’t act like this is something new.
September 20th, 2005 21:06
This was posted in the comments of another blog, A brother speaks out:
bigbawz:
Let it be stated on the record that I am Reem Bishara’s brother and while I unfortunately cannot be with my family in Kuwait (I am currently pursuing my MA in the UK) I am with them and with my little sister reem in spirit.
What Reem did was a mistake - no one will deny that. And no one should stand up for her because she is a Kuwaiti or a girl or what not. Rather, we should at least attempt to understand the situation she is in right now. Her studies have been halted and her life has been put on hold because of this terrible mistake.
Mistake. We have all made plenty of mistakes, irrespective of what side of the religious spectrum we come from. I personally have little against drinking, unless it reaches a stage in which it compromises the safety and comfort of others. Drinking and driving is a big mistake. Let it just be made clear, however, that we have no way of knowing how much alcohol Reem actually had (the report only stated a DUI, which the breath test would indicate after only a few beers). Munira’s case is a little more difficult - at least she had the sensibility to ask a friend to follow her home just in case. And no, Reem does NOT smoke up. She and I are very close and I would certainly know about this.
Reem and Munira are both going to pay for their mistakes (some would say they already have). Let us just leave it at that. There is no more need to torment them any more than they already have been. All this talk of religion prohibiting drinking (which those of us who have studied Islamic history know has been altered significantly in modern history) and social values bring us to no conclusion. What has happened has happened, and just like we would not like anyone perpetuating rumors and gossip about our families, there is no reason to do it to anyone else.
A note on free speech: there is a fine line between free speech and slander, which even the most liberal of constitutions recognizes. Having an open discussion about drinking and driving, or about traditional values in a foreign land, is one thing; gossiping about people is NOT free speech, despite the fact that people may misconcieve it to be.
To all of those that have shown support, thank you. Even in the most tragic of situations it is important to show moral support, whether you agree with what happened or not. Reem: I love you very much despite what all these people may say about you and I know that you didn’t mean for anything bad to happen that night. To everyone else: next week this will all be old news, just as soon as something else happens for you to direct your spare time towards. Please, show some support and take up a hobby.
September 20th, 2005 22:17
Again the only reason we are even discussing this here is because the girls represent the liberal side of Kuwait. I’m sure if the girls wore Hijab and had different family names, we wouldn’t have seen 95% of the negative reaction of the so called conservative Kuwaitis here.
We heard so many times before about incidents which involved sons and daughters of religious MP’s and diplomats abroad, some even went to jail over drug charges but we didn’t see a single E-mail or an SMS from the so called conservatives.
This is the double standard which we all face for refusing to grow beards or wear Hijab.
Myself I was shocked when I first heard about the terrible news, because it just sounded like the worst nightmare for any person who studied or lived in the States. And I felt that everyone should show sympathy toward the girls who are victims too, and tried to show how the dead person committed a mistake too by skateboarding in a middle of an intersection. And most importantly that we should never , ever judge a person over his or her lifestyle, its not anybody’s business.
You know your enemies when you fall, and the people who joined the discussions just to throw insults and tried to turn it into a battle between good and evil , evil to them is being a liberal , freedom loving Kuwaiti. Those would lose interest quickly once they are ignored.
I’m glad that family members are doing the right thing by sharing their feelings with us all here.
September 20th, 2005 22:39
Thank you bigbawz or Fahood for ur amazing comment.. well said.. and just like you told me earlier good lookin out.. I love u and miss u little brother…
September 21st, 2005 04:58
To start with, my heart goes to the two girls and their families. I just wanted to comment on bojaij.. you said “This is the double standard which we all face for refusing to grow beards or wear Hijab.”
Totally wrong!!! If they were from the conservative sector, there would be more gossiping..!! for heaven sake don’t you remember what happened to al6ab6iba’i regarding his cancun story..!!
and the double standards, if they weren’t the duaghters of such and such, they would be rotten in jail and nobody would do anything to try to bail them out..!!
This is the double standards that this country is ran by..! I lived in the states more than any of you guys and lots of incidents happend and whenever the embassy is called to interfere, they refuse.
FOR HEAVEN SAKE they refused to put a laywer for INS related problems..! but now for two girls whom committed a felony, well lots fellonies.. they bailed them out, put a lawyer and paid for him in full..!!
If any commoner wa put in jail for INS related problem and asked for $5000 to be bailed out and promisses to pay the embassy, they would say ” no we can’t its the ministrie’s Law”
Bas yalla deerat “ithaa 7abitik 3aini mathamik il dahar”..
Again, May god help those two young wouman oo yisaber ahal’hom.. oo for the brother and sister, what am saying nothing has to do with your sisters personally..
September 21st, 2005 05:01
excuse my spelling and grammer mistakes.. its 5 am and am sleepy..
September 21st, 2005 12:46
Wow, this is potent stuff…
well… this happens everywhere in the world, the media in the UK and US jump on stories…
its just that we have less than 1 million Kuwaitis which makes the situation seem bigger than it is…
Shahad, never knew that it was your sis that was involved…
Thoughts go out to all involved…
Amen
September 21st, 2005 19:54
Bo Jaij: :
“girls represent the liberal side of Kuwait”. So liberal means driniking. I kinda always had this idea that libereal is an ideology rather than drunk driving. I thought being liberal is having a government where the seperation between the state and religion is present. I always though I was liberal, but if these girls represent it, then I would rather join the Islamic Fuck Heads.
September 21st, 2005 20:34
Bo Jaij: :
“girls represent the liberal side of Kuwait”. So liberal means driniking. I kinda always had this idea that libereal is an ideology rather than drunk driving. I thought being liberal is having a government where the seperation between the state and religion is present. I always though I was liberal, but if these girls represent it, then I would rather join the Islamic Fuck Heads.
People like gossip, it sucks. It wouldnt have got this much attention if they were guys, and that is everywhere, when a serial killer is a woman, she becomes instantly famous. With all my respect to the writer of the article, I expected something deeper and more forceful that what I read.
This is an ethical issue. No judgement is made, however, it is not private since the government is involved and the country’s money is being spent here rather on a person needing treatment abroad.
September 22nd, 2005 03:59
Petroleum Belly:
I don’t think BoJajj was referring to the Drinking/Driving part of the girls lives being liberal. He is referring to their Parents, whom are at the forefront of the liberal movement in Kuwait.
September 22nd, 2005 12:32
http://kuwait2005.blogspot.com/2005/09/new-old-news.html
September 22nd, 2005 14:52
Then maybe he should have worded it better. Our opinions should not be altered because of who their parents are, they are two seperate entities
September 22nd, 2005 19:34
That is true that their opinions are not their parents, but in most cases a childs opinion is defined by those of their parents.
September 23rd, 2005 03:08
The girls are guilty until proven innocent, until then they will be news headlines whether their family members like it or not. As for the rest of us, we can not root for one side against the other but should let justice take its course. Knowing what we know about the American justice, we can hope that the girls will get a light sentence with the help of the best lawyer their money can get and the fact that the victim is partly to blame for his demise. The only good that will come out of this is that our youth abroad will learn the lesson of the consequences of drinking.
September 23rd, 2005 05:51
Last time I checked, the law in America is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
September 23rd, 2005 08:09
Hi.. mabi atshamat.. bs its not gonna be alright, I know reem might be a nice, girl, she might just had couples of beers, she wasnt even tipsy, maykhalif, el ekhit mneerah sakrana 6eena.. emkharbe6a.. hit a man killed him.. eb kel 3adam ensanya pushed his body away from her car, o etgololi alright, she was drunk,, reem sharba.. DUI, o minor.. qanon is qanon,, I know those girls o its nothing new 3leeehom.. inshalla al qanon yet6abaq bel 3adil.. al salfa kbarat coz banat.. lo awlad emsawenha ham yeste7eqoon nafs al shay but am sure mo kel el kuw bet7acha fehom like this..
September 23rd, 2005 12:49
Wow anonymous.. You know these girls oo this is nothing new 3alaihom? Mashallah 3alaik walla! Who the hell do u think you are.. Check urself buddy.. instead of hiding behind ur “anonymous” name talking shit.. you might wanna try being a man and saying what you gotta say to their faces.. walla ay shay man.. 7ita il zbala think they have something worthy to say…
September 23rd, 2005 15:54
Shoosh,
with all my respect bas il zbala wouldn’t kill and run away leaving the victim to die alone in the middle of the night.. Il zbala would have the heart to stop and help a dieing man. I’d rather be a Zbala than a Cold hearted, unethical stupid “high Class” person.!!!!
P.s Am not the same guy who posted the previous comment
September 23rd, 2005 18:48
Anonymous,
Unless you were in that situation, its quite hard for you to judge what you would have done.
Sitting at home in my chair, I would probably say that I would have stopped and helped the guy. However, sitting behind the wheel of a car that just run over a man .. god knows whats going through my head.
Whats done is done .. while this discussion might feed your insecurties, its not going to go back in the past and solve anything.
September 24th, 2005 20:53
beeey u guys are still talking about it? seriously cut them some slack and leave them alone… and allah ekoon ib 3onhom and our prayers are for their families
… o ham arja3 o agoool oooooo yaaaaa maaaaal!!!
September 25th, 2005 01:53
The Kuwaiti,
Inshalla ya rab yi6li3oon oo allah yisaber ahal’hom oo i know inaa what they are going through is enough.
however, I wouldn’t sit oo agool ina inta zbala fa u don’t have the right to speak lanik a low class..!
I was praying for them min awal masar il 7adith oo by the way i know their families 3adil 3adil.. Bas the comments yenarfezoon.
September 25th, 2005 10:01
Get a life people, next topic
September 25th, 2005 11:30
Entrepreneur,
Drag Racing Bahraini chicks?
September 25th, 2005 11:30
Accident? Murder. Drunk driving is murder in most places in the States. Have they suffered enough? Have the girls’ families suffered enough? No. They took a life. There is no excuse for taking the life of another person. If you are in a foreign country (there, here, anywhere), respect the laws of that country. In the US, it is cultural not to forget these types of crimes. In Kuwait, it might be viewed as a “mistake”. God’s will. Destiny. Lets not talk about it. In the US, it is, by law in most cases referred to as “murder”. They put stories, pictures, family names in the paper. Most of the time, other people seeing it will guage the seriousness of the offense and not want to repeat the embarrassment for themselves or their families.
Should people gossip about it? Sorry, but whatever your oppinion is of that - yes or no - for every action there is a reaction. Public reation is to talk about it - as they will be doing for years. You can choose to ignore gossip, but by saying, “stop it” or “shut up” - it only adds fuel to the fire. This can be directed toward well-intentioned family members like the Bisharah brother and sister as well: The more you discuss it, the more it becomes fodder for additional gossip by lesser-intentioned individuals.
DUI’s and hit and runs are daily occurrances here in the States - but also in Kuwait (albeit a smaller socieity). DUI’s are not publicized in Kuwait because alcohol is not legal - therefore there are not appropriate laws or inforcement of laws to deal with it. Bottom line - don’t drink and drive. Furthermore, friends don’t let friends drive drunk. Take away the keys. Drive your friend home.
One more point - I’ve seen a lot of people adding comments about what the guy was doing out there in the middle of the night on a motorized scooter. That is irrelevant. It is the same thing as saying, “The woman was in a club wearing a seductive outfit. She deserved to be raped.” Irrelevant.
On a high horse? I make lots of mistakes. I stop short at making mistakes that would kill people because 1) I don’t want to go suffer the moral/ethical consequences and 2) go to jail for murder. If I ever did hit someone with a car (and/or was a witness to it), I certainly would stop to help them. I would help to stop an animal, so why not a human being?
Kuwaiti in Los Angeles
September 26th, 2005 12:35
TheKuwaiti
Now thats more like it, I wonder where you came across that…
real entertainment at its finest dude, and you know it
September 26th, 2005 14:13
I might sound like an insensitive bitch.. But I don’t care…
This could have been avoided.
I feel sorry for their families…
However, I DO NOT feel sorry for them…
Yes I understand it WAS an accident. blah blah.
And I have no problem with the whole DUI thing… It happens. Hell, it happens here all the time…
But a “HIT & RUN”?
RUN?
Fuck that….
I have no sympathy. No matter how altered your judgment is “under the influence”— You should realize that “running away” from an “accidental” death is unpardonable…
Allah ma yi6ig ib 3a9a.
Sure, Kuwait is a corrupt society with nothing better to do than sit around and “gossip”.
Sure it’s shitty…
But then again, the whole “Little Princess” attitude has GOT TO GO…
The notion that you are Kuwaiti and can get away with murder (pardon the pun) is so infuriating, that it makes me sick to my stomach.
I think it’s bullshit that the government was willing to bail them out because of their “connections”.
Had it been ME, do you really think that Sabah Al-Ahmad himself would have given a fuck?
Would Kuwait have given a fuck about me? Little miss “your family name isn’t popular enough”….
Shyah….
Think again…
In conclusion I want to say that :
#1 yes it sucks, that 2 poor little Kuwaiti girls got in trouble because of their sheer stupidity and inability to act responsibly… Shit happens. Life goes on.
#2 I WILL NOT feel guilty that I do not feel sympathy for them. And to all of you who are doing the whole “boo hoo , let’s support them just because we share the same color passport bullshit”, Please… Give it a rest…because had it been your loved one who got run over and abandoned, you would be singing a different tune…
September 26th, 2005 14:41
I know what they did is wrong , bas 3aweraw ghalby , I mean don’t make it even worse !!!
September 29th, 2005 23:29
Totally sucks what happened. I’ve read things about charges being lessened or whatnot, and if that happened fine. I think people should pay for their mistakes. I don’t think people who have any sort of political connections should get off easier. (happens in the us alot. if you are well off or well connected, you tend to get off easier). DUI is a blanket charge. It is driving under the influence of alcohol. Technically speaking, if you have had one drink you are under the influence right. I think DWI is driving while intoxicated, which is legally drunk. Not totally sure. DUI is a more common term and charge applied. The only thing I could have against this is if they are well connected and getting off less because of that. That is the ONLY reason I would be pissed off if the charges were not as severe.
I feel they should be punished, and justly. That does not mean life in prison or anything like that, but I feel everyone should pay for their crimes, mistake or not, wealthy or poor, female or male, old or young. The burden of judging how someone should be punished is not placed upon the shoulders of everyone and therefore is not our problem. The mental anguish someone can go through from an ordeal like this can be far more severe then any physical punishment or confinement that can be put upon someone. Yes, the mans family are probably hurt and angry, but he appears to have helped so many in his life. He took in those noone else wanted and helped them get back on their feet. With that being said, this man does not sound like the kind of person who would want 2 girls to essentially have their lives taken from them for making a mistake, no matter how tragic.
October 5th, 2005 21:20
DWI and DUI are the same charge it just depends on which state you are in. each state has it’s own laws and what they call them. FYI, It means not only alcohol but drugs also. Some states have a mandatory 1 year in prison just for the DUI charge without anyone being hurt.
I hate to point this out but under the law in the USA driving under the influence and killing someone isn’t viewed as an accident. It is viewed just the same as waving a gun around and killing someone of it goes off. More than likely they will face either a manslaughter change or a third degree murder charge whoever was driving. The other girl might only get an underage drinking charge. Sorry that they will learn a lesson the hard way. Get them a good lawyer and hope for the best.
November 13th, 2005 05:29
For all of you who are still attacking these girls- seriously go and get a life. To live off people’s misery and problems is extremely pathetic and sick. To kick someone when they’re already down is even more pathetic. Who do you think you are to pass judgment on two girls? Only God can judge us.
Sure, they made a mistake, don’t we all? Be thankful the mistakes you made aren’t all over the internet and the news, or you wouldn’t be singing the same tune you’re singing now. And don’t sit there and tell me I wouldn’t have drank bla bla bla- nobody is perfect and we all have our share of mistakes.
We weren’t there that night and we don’t know the details or the circumstances. The media doesn’t always report the truth and there is definitely a bias in the coverage these girls are facing. For those of you who think the government paid their bail and for their lawyers, please think again because I can guarantee you that is not the case. Instead of focusing on irrelevant little factors like ‘if it was me nobody would have cared’, shut up and have a moral conscious. The girls and their families are suffering.
E wallah Allah ma yathreb eb 3a9a.. For those of you who keep perpetuating rumors about these girls and acting like you have all the facts, Allah beredlekom etha mo eb nafskom b3ayalkom aw bekhwankom.
I do not know Reem, but I know Munira and if any of you knew her personally I guarantee you, you would not be saying this about her. The girl is a sweetheart. For the idiot that is claiming she dragged the body off her car Earth is calling you back to reality. Don’t make things up, you definitely are lost in the matter and don’t know either one of the girls so shut up.
To both girls, may God be with you and stay strong, to the brother of sister of reem Allah ma3akom & good looking out.. Have a heart & stop talking trash, this could have happened to anyone… The fact they made a mistake does not make them bad people… they just made a bad choice & I think they are both aware of that & are paying for it daily. If you don’t agree with someone that’s fine, but to come out and attack them for something when you don’t even know the whole story definitely isn’t. Not one of us on this Earth is perfect; just remember that the next time you want to point fingers.
December 5th, 2005 02:42
To the Kuwaiti,
Although this reply is late, I just wanted to say thanks for not trying to be tarazan. Then, I would like to say that the police report is more detailed than you put it, and I can give you the exact numbers if you like. I’m sure you know. Blood tests were conducted for both girls and numbers do not lie. If you have nothing against drinking then maybe you should pick up a hobby and start learning how to become a real man, instead of hiding behind some cheap sloagns and cliches. Tsk tsk tsk. How pathetic. But you make a good lecturer.
July 10th, 2008 16:38
hahahahahaa
You are WANTED in the interpool wahahahaahaa
kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak why did u run away??